Hi Guys,<P>I have had a very emotional week. The bitterness and resentment are starting and coming out towards Val and her parents. [They helped hide the affair for so long]. That and a few LB being thrown about.<P>Anyway, I had another strange thought. [surprising coming from me, huh?] Early into discovery, I went to a psychic for my very first Tarrot card reading in my 39 years on earth. There were alot of "hits" and some "misses". Suprising most of the discussion was on marriage problems. Nothing was said before the reading started and I had my wedding ring on. Strange?... yes I am.<P>I was searching the love topics last night and came across love spells, spells to get rid of the OP, incantations, candle magic, Talismans and voo doo dolls. Anyone go to a fourtune teller? Sheba told us of her smelting, I think that's what it was called.<BR>A purification process if I recall correctly. Not busting on ya Sheba. I'm at the point where I would almost, almost try anything to get to the point I was at early in the marriage.<P>****NOW FINALLY MY QUESTION TO ALL OF YOU: Would try some method that is so off the wall just to get your S back? How far would you go? <P>I hate to say but I actually sat there and though about trying some of stuff for a few minutes. Just a though. <P>I really don't know where all these thoughts originate from. I guess to much brain activity and stress lately. I knew this was a bad week to quit amphetamines!<P>Wishing us all the Best.<P>Medic<BR>

Hey Medic<P>You bet. I'll try anything to have my loving wonderful H back.!!<P>I also had my tarot cards read, twice, #1 said we'd be back together, and #2 said we'd get back together, H would move to Brisbane, and that this affair of his is all on his part, and not really on OW's. #2 said that H was in for a huge ego bubbleburst, but that he would be back.<P>Can't see any of that coming true just yet, but they both said things that they could not possibly have known. I gave neither of them any info at the beginning. I wanted to see what they 'saw'.<P>It sure opened my eyes, and my mind, to the fact that maybe they can 'see' things.<P>If you find any love potions that will help bring our wayward spouses home - please let me know. I'm in day 2 of Plan B - AND ITS KILLING ME !!! I'm going to be strong tho. I just had a lovely post from Skye, who said exactly what I needed to hear.<P>Take care of you, and keep that mind of yours open to everything and anything. God, or whoever, works in extremley mysterious ways sometimes. Here's hoping for all of us.<P>Jo<P>(Just got back from the gold Coast where my parents live, walked along the beach for ages and actually felt at peace. What a lovely feeling to experience again. Not much peace in my little old life lately. !! Maybe a walk along the beach would be good.)

Medic,<P>Hang in there, my friend. Your thought processes are clouded right now due to the severe emotional stress you are under. It's perfectly normal to have irrational thoughts, considering what you have been, & are going through. So, I suppose by now, you can figure out, my answer to your question!<P>I know how very hard it is to stop obssessing about our spouses. But, now is the time for you to focus on YOU because you can only control your own actions, beliefs, & thoughts. You CANNOT control your wife's actions (voodoo or no voodoo). Sorry.<P>Focus on Medic. Become a better person, educate yourself on the elements of a healthy relationship (which you have already started to do with MB). <P>I bought a great book that has caused me to do a lot of reflection & soul searching. It's called "After the Affair" by Janis Abrahms Spring. Not only does it accurately describe what the betrayer & betrayed are going through, it has a section in it called 'Reviewing Your Options - Should I Stay or Should I Leave'. It causes you to really think about your relationship & encourages you to make a deliberate decision, not one based on emotion alone. It makes you review your beliefs about love in general to see if perhaps they are unrealistic. It also talks about the different kinds of love, the physiological, emotional, & rational parts of love, & the fact that most married couples don't realize that love is not static. Anyway, I found this book to be very enlightening, & actually collaberated Dr.Harley's theory that romantic love is an addiction.<P>Keep posting here. We are all in this together, & are here to support you.<P>

Medic--<P>How about the power of positive thinking instead? <P>I go through phases of reading daily horoscopes. I find tarot cards quite interesting. Have never talked to a psychic and while I believe some people DO have this more-developed gift, I'd probably be skeptical that I happened across a "real McCoy."<P>I can, however, imagine manipulating situations to regain H's attention, or staging scenes to work in my favor!<P>As I've been actually harping to Lori recently, all's fair in love and war. Best of luck in finding happiness.

Medic, <P>I don't think it would take much of a psychic to suggest any married person is having martial problems. The odds are even in favor for them to suggest an affair is taking place. <P>For me, I would steer clear of any fortune tellers or other satanic influences. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Would try some method that is so off the wall just to get your S back? How far would you go?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I would do anything possible so long as I did not compromise my own integrity and morals. I wouldn't want to "trick" my wife back into loving me again. I am finding there is no easy path to recovery. It is taking eveything in me as a man to get through this. <P>You'll get there Medic. <P>SHA

Isn't it amazing what thought pop into our minds. Things we would have laughed at a few years ago. I read my horoscope every day and his too. I can get way with that as it is my daughter's. I keep reading to see if it will say he need to come back home. LOL He doesn't read it so even if it cam out and said H go back to your wife he would never know it. LOL. I have even had the thought of calling the psycic hot line. It only last for a second, but you know that was kind of scary to feel that desperate. But deep down we all know that there is nothing we can do. We must go on with our lives and do the best we can, and if someday our S finally realize what they have done and want to come back we can take the next step. BUt you know I am not going toset around and mope about it. I am getting on with my life and that is what you should do. It is not healthy physically, mentally and emotionally to put our lives on hold for another. I am not saying give up but keep going. As it has been said many times here we can not control other people we are only responsible for ourselves. And I know it is time for me to take that responsiblity and let my H be responsiblity for himself, no matter how much i dislike what he is doing there is nothing I can do about it. I am not going to sit still and wait, that would be wasting my life and why should two lives be wasted because of what one person has done. If and when he accepts his responsibility we will see about working on our marriage, but right now there is no marriage to work on. And medic I think you are in the same position that I am in. I know how much that hurts. Sorry didn't mean to go on about this. <P>------------------<BR>di<P>