I agree, human passions can be soooooo tempting...and my son has confessed to me that he has gone as far as the petting stage and a little beyond....and yes, I remind him that a sexual encounter out of wedlock is not God's intention for him and that real consequences occur when we rebell against God and His will for us. And Yea, I have a bit of the I told ya so in me...as we all do. But I am not trying to just plain be RIGHT here, I am trying to get a point across. <p>According to what is written in Genisis Joseph resisted temptation and eventually, His life was full of blessings. <p>King David did not. And even after he repented and turned from his sin, God told him that he and his family would suffer consequences, which they did.<p>God Himself sets the guidelines here and is the one who is right, not me. <p>I too have been tempted into sin. I strayed from my marriage. A sexual encounter did not occur, but I pursued an emotional affair with a pastor. My husband and I were called to have our own church and were in training when the ‘walls’came tumbling down around us. Now, my hubby and I can barely go to church each Sunday. And also, for now, we have fallen away from any calling God has on our lives. All because I gave in to temptation. <p>I don't believe it is enough to just say nice things and hope it all feels better. We have to face our lives with reality. And sometimes the reality is harsh. Remember, we are talking about 3 very real, very human lives being affected for an eternity here due to choices made…Paha, the father, and the unborn child. Hopefully, wiser and better decisions concerning all 3 lives will be made from this time on. <p>But...God’s grace is abounding. His love and forgiveness is complete and eternal. For that we need all be very, very grateful.<p>I am sorry if my words are not timely. <p>And I am sorry that anyone has to suffer bad consequences of their poor choices in behavior(sin), but God made the rules, not I.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by lonesome heart:
<strong><p>Sheryl, if you're a sap, I'm a sap too. You be the polar sap, and I'll be the tropo sap. We can be saps together! [img]images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/img] Hope you're having a great time in CA. </strong><hr></blockquote><p>Yes, it's wonderful here -- although missing my kids today since a FIRE (are they EVERYwhere? [img]images/icons/frown.gif" border="0[/img] ) in the Cajon Pass is keeping us apart (They went home for Father's Day). But so far it's been GREAT!!<p>And yeah, it's a deal ... we're the "sap sisters" [img]images/icons/smile.gif" border="0[/img] .

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by frstrtd:
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I am sorry if my words are not timely. <p>And I am sorry that anyone has to suffer bad consequences of their poor choices in behavior(sin), but God made the rules, not I.</strong><hr></blockquote><p>Okay, let me try again. [img]images/icons/frown.gif" border="0[/img] <p>frstrtd,<p>GOD is dealing with Paha. We need only to offer love and support.<p>Again I feel personally stung by your words, and let me tell you why: I have left churches because of a lack of compassion and an abundance of judgement toward our fellow-Christians. <p>Ever heard the phrase "Christians are the only army who shoot their wounded" ??<p>JUDGEMENT belongs to God.<p>[ June 17, 2002: Message edited by: new_beginning ]</p>

Paha,<p>Darling, I'm hoping and praying you are still here. <p>I have not been around here at all lately EXCEPT TO CHECK IN ON YOU. <p>YOU, my dear, are precious, and I am concerned.<p>Please drop a line, or an email, and let us know how you're doing. The thought of you alone, homeless, pregnant and hurting... well... <img src="graemlins/teary.gif" border="0" alt="[Teary]" /> ... it's enough to make me want to cry!<p>Please, please, please take care~

Sheryl and LH,<p>I love you two more than words can say!!!! You two women rule.<p>LH -- if you want to use me as the what not to do fine. lol. I still love you. As far as getting pregnant I had no thought that it would happen. I mean I was on the pill and using condoms (AT THE SAME TIME). So hey want can I say...I blame the guy. His swimmers are overachivers. lol. Well my sense of humour is back about it.<p>Sheryl --- thank you so much for you compasion. I think your reason for having problems with the so called "christian religion" is the same I have. Talk about I am better than you attitude at times. Gets very old. So Sheryl I know full well how you feel. The thing is. I found the best church and all that has changed for me. I love everyone there so much. We are all human and just have to try to know when to blow it off and when to let them know when they have gone so far.<p>BTW -- I found a place to live. I love it and the woman who is renting to me is the best. In fact she is a lesbian and has been so very supportive of me and everything that is going on in my life. On top of that she has no problems with me and my cats. She was and is so very kind to me and supportive. And she just met me! So if that is wrong well I am not going to say anything but I have no room to talk. <p>I just know that since the pregnancy my entire look has changed. I can not even feel the need to look down or judge. I was homeless and still jobless. I now know what it feels like to be so scared and worried about what is going to happen. I know first hand God/Jesus compasion. I can not say I am the best in trusting God but I am trying.

OK Now on to you F --- Honestly I was not going to even bother posting to you but I can not let Sherly and LH fight for my honour alone. As far as you are concerned I could care less what you think. I know you from adam. What goes on in my life is of no concern to you. <p>May I suggest that when you are without sin than you can cast the stone!!!! I could easily go on and on about how at least I am not a whore wanting to do my pastor, destroying two families along with the church. But what would that acomplish? Nothing. <p>Oh I wish I could remember where it is in the bible...becuase trust me you NEED TO LEARN THIS LESSON. Here is the synopsis of the parable. Jesus is walking along and stops to talk to a semarian woman. He asks her for water. Jesus followers are complaining that he is talking to a samerian and heaven forbid a woman! He knows full well that she is a) shacking up with a man, b) has a history of living with men and c) still he shows her human decency. F -- may I suggest you get off your high horse and learn human decency. Take a cue from your H...he could have divorced you but HE showed you compasion and fought for the marriage. <p>Hence, stop trashing me you have no room to talk. If I wanted an oppion from an unyeilding, obtuse, norrow minded person I would call my Mother. Since you are not her do not bother.

Hello all
I know I have not been around here for quite some time, but I have been just reading. Paha, I know that if you were using all that, and conception still occurred, then there must truly be a purpose. Since it has already happened, this is where you go from now.
It can get worse these circumstances, so meditate on what can be done at this second to bless God. Do not keep asking yourself, can my life suck anymore. Take it upon yourself to come out of and stay out of Self-Pity and the Land of Regrets. In fact, go to www.quickinspirations.com. Select stories and load Leaving the City of Regrets ( or the similar name) I know that will really encourage you now. But God's power and reality for you starts in your mind and in His presence, not wondering what more pain must you go through. Go to where He is to see what He sees for you!!!<p>I am telling you from experience what I am going through right now. Do not give up just before your Breakthrough Girl!!! [img]images/icons/grin.gif" border="0[/img] <p>And Paha, I love you. You have helped me so much. Just let God handle this, and enjoy the ride WITH HIM DRIVING. <p>Relax your soul, already! [img]images/icons/wink.gif" border="0[/img]

Hey Ymon,<p>Sorry it took me so long. I have been moving into my new flat! I so love it. The movers trashed the walls though ...and parts of the hardwood floors. But my flat mate is being so kind about it. She did all the work herself so believe me I feel awful about it.<p>Thank you for your kind words. How are you doing? If I remember correct you have a baby now. right? I am feeling better. I am just taking it one day at a time. <p>Wishing you all the best.

Hello Paha-- You know, my mother and I do not talk. But God is still showing me that whatever choices she is making now concerning keeping me at a distance, she still brought me into this world. She tells me to leave her alone but I do write to her. I have not received any response, except she visited my home when my family and I first moved in. I am a different parent and person for my children. So thank you for not going the route of an abortion, on behalf of the child you carry. If God did not want it so, you would not be pregnant. I feel some sweetness in your spirit when you post, even through things you have experienced this far. You are in my prayers, Sister. I just wanted you to know how strong you are being. You see how God has provided for You? You do encourage me. I see this last date of our posts was June so I hope you see this soon! Be blessed.
ymon33@hotmail.com

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Pahakissa2:
<strong>May I suggest that when you are without sin than you can cast the stone!!!!

Oh I wish I could remember where it is in the bible...becuase trust me you NEED TO LEARN THIS LESSON. Here is the synopsis of the parable. Jesus is walking along and stops to talk to a semarian woman. He asks her for water. Jesus followers are complaining that he is talking to a samerian and heaven forbid a woman! He knows full well that she is a) shacking up with a man, b) has a history of living with men and c) still he shows her human decency. F -- may I suggest you get off your high horse and learn human decency. Take a cue from your H...he could have divorced you but HE showed you compasion and fought for the marriage.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The Bible verses you refer to are mixed here between John chapter 4 and John chapter 8, both the samaritan woman or the woman at the well, and when Jesus forgives the adulterous woman and utters the familiar phrase, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." All of the Pharisees walked away one by one.

As a born-again Christian I always try to emphasize forgiveness provided there is "fruit in keeping with repentance" as Paul commands. It is for God to judge and not us as His people. Paha, you know in your heart the sins that lay upon it, and we all know there are real consequences for living in the flesh and not in the spirit, and yet the greatest apostle to ever walk the earth, the Apostle Paul, uttered, in frustration, "I do what I know I should not do and I do not do what I know I should do." I'm paraphrasing here since I don't have the Scripture precise in my mind at this moment, but we all fall miserably short of the glory of God, all our acts are "as filthy rags" in the eyes of God, hence our sole belief in Jesus Christ as Savior. God loves all of you here in this forum. Your lives, what little I have read so far, are filled with the tragedies of the world ruled by Satan, and yet your spirits are filled with God's love and the Holy Spirit. Yes, we are in this world but not of this world, praise God the Father. God Bless each and every one of you!

Pahakissa2, please know you are in my prayers. It can be so scary to find yourself in this predicament, and even scarier to have financial problems on top of that. I pray that God will provide for your needs and strengthen your spirit. Please remember, even though you are traveling a tough road right now, that your baby is a gift from God, and he has entrusted that precious life to you for a reason. You may not understand it now, but it will become clearer to you over time. How I long for the opportunity you have, to carry a child inside me, to give him/her life and to shower that precious little soul with love! I know you are scared right now, but God will not forsake you and in time, you will view this experience as one of the most meaningful of your life. God loves you. Just continue to trust in him, and he will lead you where he wants you to go. May He bless you in countless ways. <<Hugs>>

If you can find the music of Angela DiPrima. I have found alot of comfort in the song titled "Folk like me".

also the song, "Someone far away" and "Consider the Lillies"

I find such solace in music and I want to share what has given me comfort. Some find it in scripture and study, but the holy spirit works in all ways and this is my comfort, i hope it comforts you.

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I hope you are well and strong.

I'm not sure what to say, I see earlier on the thread what I wouldn't say.

One of my best friends is a pagan. Not just not-Christian, pagan. She says I am the only Christian who has ever been nice to her. But, she's one of the nicest people I know, she'd drop anything to help a friend. Maybe niceness isn't our goal, but Jesus did say "love your neighbor as yourself." I also built myself a nice little "glass house"...so I tend not to throw stones. When I do, my world shatters.

So I pray that love surrounds you.