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I am at an age where many men seem to want a newer model car and wife. I just wanted to grow old with my wife.<P>Unfortunately she decided to tell me about an incident of sexual infidelity that happened a long time ago about two weeks ago. It has turned my life upside down.<P>After a week of painful discussions the obvious became clear; this was a long term emotional affair that culminated in one (supposedly)sex act.<P>She seems to want to think of the other guy as evil seducer and herself as a relatively innocent victim. She has known the man for years. At some point she opened the door to more by beginning to discuss the faults of their spouses. In order to reduce her guilt for keeping the relationship secret, our faults became magnified over time. I guess it's easier to cheat on a monster. At a still later point they began a casual discussion of stupid conventions of a hypocritical society towards sex. Of course the door was wide open at that point.<P>She seems genuinely remorseful for what she says was a one time incident that occured when she was drunk and angry with me.<P>She seems not to want to acknowledge anything more. She does say the "friendship" continued for about another month after the sex. She also claims she does not remember when this all occured or even how long the emotional affair lasted. <P>I have been all over this site and we have begun working on not just rebuilding but building stronger happier and healthier.<P>She claims she loves me very much and that I am the center of her life.<P>We have had discussions that we should have had long before nearly two decades of marriage went by. Some have been very beautiful.<P>Some hours I am in deep despair and rage. Some hours I love her more than ever.<BR>Some hours I just want to give up and get a divorce.<P>My commitment to work on our marriage wavers depending on my emotional state.<P>At 2:00 AM today I woke her up and told her I was scared and needed a hug. How can I need help from someone who has lied and betrayed me?<P>Questions<BR>Time heals? how long?<BR>trust? she lied and betrayed<BR>Is her reluctance to admit the nature of the affair a bad sign?<BR>Do I have a right to ask for the whole truth about the start and stop timing of the affair?<P>Also thanks to the folks on the rage thread. We too had an exceptional amount of sex since she told me. I thought I might be crazy or something.<BR>

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yo-yo:<P>I'd point you to the counseling that's provided my MarriageBuilders: Steve and Jennifer Harley (Dr. Harley's children) do phone counseling here. It's highly effective and pretty reasonable, and I'm betting that they would be able to help you manage your anger and resentment, and help you take your marriage in the direction you both want. The number for appointments is 888-639-1639.<P>You're having fairly normal reactions to being told this news. I think you're in excellent shape overall, because your wife told you voluntarily, and because she wants to make the marriage work. Time will heal this, but you need to do proactive work as well (and doing the work makes the healing come faster). Your trust in your wife has been shattered, yet she was honest with you in a very intimate and frightening way for her by telling you about the affair---you want to encourage this honesty by responding in a way that doesn't use "lovebusters". <P>Her reluctance to admit the "true" nature of the affair is natural. She's probably concerned about hurting you, as well as wondering how much you can take before you leave. I would suggest that you decide if you are going to leave her over this mistake (and I would suggest against it)---if you're not, make sure she knows this. That will ease her fears somewhat, and encourage honesty.<P>I'm of the opinion that you have no "rights" once you get married. You need to do things by agreement, as a team. You certainly can ask her (honestly, without lovebusters) about all the details you need about the affair. You can explain your position, and tell her how this information will help you get over this more quickly. She can refuse to tell you anything. You need to come to a point where you both "enthusiastically agree" on this issue (this is the Policy of Joint Agreement). If you can't, you should work harder to find alternative solutions that will satisfy both you and your wife. If that fails, then you do nothing, except perhaps to visit it at a later date.<P>Your wife will be willing to tell you more when she feels safe sharing it with you. My guess is that if you handle yourself well, this won't take very long.<P>And get counseling---even if you do it alone at first. If you don't do the MB counseling, find someone who has a good record with saving marriages using practical approaches and achievable plans. In other words, stay away from psychoanalysts, and try to find a behavioralist who's familar with Harley's work.

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Hi <B>yo-yo</B>...<P>I see this is your first post...<P>Glad you've been lurking and now have joined in!<P>You bring up some excellent questions...<P>Time heals?<BR><B>YES</B> is does...<P>how long?<BR><B>It varies</B>... I know... you think it's a copout... but true. Much of it depends on your healing much more than your W's...<BR>Check out...<BR><B>Forgiveness</B><BR><A HREF="http://www.divorcebusting.com/forumlinks4.html" TARGET=_blank>Forgiveness is a Gift You Give Yourself</A><BR><A HREF="http://forgivenessweb.com" TARGET=_blank>The Forgiveness Web</A>...and...<BR><OL TYPE=1><BR><LI> <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/034541344X" TARGET=_blank><B>The Art of Forgiving :</B> When You Need to Forgive and Don't Know How</A> by Lewis B. Smedes <BR><LI> <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060674318" TARGET=_blank><B>Forgive and Forget </B>: Healing the Hurts We Don't Deserve</A> by Lewis B. Smedes <BR><LI> <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0785282556" TARGET=_blank><B>The Choosing to Forgive Workbook</B></A> by Les Carter, Frank Minirth <BR></OL><P>trust? (she lied and betrayed)...<BR>Check out... older posts on...<BR><A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/006615.html" TARGET=_blank>How to rebuild my spouse's trust?</A>…..redman…..8/23/1999<BR><A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum31/HTML/000274.html" TARGET=_blank>Things my husband did to rebuild trust</A>…..HGBrawner…..3/17/2000<BR><A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum31/HTML/000293.html" TARGET=_blank>Making New Memories</A>…..HGBrawner…..3/25/2000<P>"Is her reluctance to admit the nature of the affair a bad sign?... Do I have a right to ask for the whole truth about the start and stop timing of the affair?"...<BR>...also check out...<BR><A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum1/HTML/007102.html" TARGET=_blank>How do you deal with "TRIGGERS?"</A>…..NoTrust…..9/7/1999<BR><A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum31/HTML/000076.html" TARGET=_blank>Can I forgive?????</A>…..indy032…..1/31/2000<BR><A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum31/HTML/000303.html" TARGET=_blank>When Triggers Stop Being Triggers</A>…..wasstubborn…..3/26/2000<BR><A HREF="http://www.marriagebuilders.com/forum/Forum28/HTML/002831.html" TARGET=_blank>on knowing the "truth" </A>…..loveWASblind=lWb/popeye…..5/9/2000<P><BR>Posting on the "In Recovery" forum may get you some more responses...<BR>...specific to your situation.<P>But stay on the forums... post... and learn.<P> [Linked Image from marriagebuilders.com]<P>Jim

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Thanks for the replies.<P>I hadn't thought of forgiveness as a healing thing for me. I was thinkin of it as being a chump and letting her off the hook.<P>I hadn't thought of the courage it took to tell me anything at all.<P>I hadn't thought of tempering the pain by thinking positive thoughts about her. Tried it - it works.<P>Actually it is getting better(mostly) day by day. This kind of pain I would prefer to be without immediately. I know it will take time.<P>I will take the steps needed to make this marriage work. I believe she will. This is an unfortunate wake up call for us and I want to make the most of it.<P>


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