Hi all!

Avondale: I need to give you great CAUTION. DO NOT FILE TAXES JOINTLY UNTIL YOUR SITUATION IS COMPLETE AND FINALIZED. You can always file an extension; just make sure you pay any back taxes to avoid any penalties. I would strongly advise filing married filing separately. Consult your tax professional. If there are any back taxes that need to be paid, the WS seems to forget about their obligation and live you with the burden. I know from personal experience, but w will catch hell about it when we get to court.

EC: You are on the right track. Avondale was right; you may want to talk to your D's to give them a heads up. Your wonderful ex will certainly throw venom around about you to your D's once she finds out your intentions. Did you call several attorneys? Just some advice, $1,500 seems about $500 on the upside.

Wallace: I told you the ladies were going to get you. Even setting a five year plan does not seem right, I would not even tell her about a time limit. Just tell her that you are not ready and give reasons. Normally three to five years is the time you should have figured out whether she is a keeper or not. If you find out she is not, tell her a cut her loose. Don't waste your time and hers.

WGTT: I'm going to check out the pictures.

Relady: I agree with you. Cruising too many threads can be time consuming. Some threads are depressing. I'm glad you have chosen to stay with us.

RMA: "Twinkle, twinkle little star". I'll save the details for later. I have kept may hands in my pockets, and I am continuing to play the role of the scorned husband. My hormones have been put on ice. Three years in your relationship sounds like you may have a keeper. Jealous jealous me. RMA, you are alright.

O' everyone, "Joe come lately fan". Go Falcons!

Later.

Hi All,

Avondale - I agree keeping information to YD/OD to very little would be wise. I may say nothing until later when the court date approaches. I read the paperwork even more and saw that exw even quoted the judges words incorrectly from the final CS order, I'm sure they'll love that. Sometimes I wonder if exw did this in desperation to get my attention and to keep me tied to her, she knows this was the final time I would have anything to do with her and this cuts all legal ties forever. Is it possible she could be jealous of my freedom and now wants me financially bound to also gain the attention should ever get another mate? I wonder sometimes.

Petvet - Yep, I feel I'm on the right track now, I'm amazed I tried to avoid all this from the start. I remember I was going to get a lawyer to do the CS Mod back in the summer but he said I could do it myself stating it was just a few forms and he would feel bad taking my money for such a simple thing. If I would have known problems like these occur when the other party lies, I would have found another lawyer to do it. I considered that price $1,500 and heard lower, I remember other lawyers said about $1,000 however don't know if that was a flat fee?. I consider my case easy, everything is filed and done, unless YD comes. Once lawyer expose exw, who knows what will happen. At this point there is no reason to even tell her I will have an attorney, she may try to recant her filings, if possible. There's nothing I need from her or lawyer since she filed it all. She'll just see me lawyer on court day and wonder were he/she came from. I went searching through some papers I have and I found documents with her business name on them she failed to mention in her filings and all the lawyer has to do in the courtroom is mention that name and ask if its hers, that will go over well. I had a client name come to me she mentioned if they need to verify business activity. Even some of her business clients later turned boyfriends will be brought up to in court.

Sad part is now I have to fly there for court, no telephone session. My exw will like that, she's been trying to get in my face with her OM for the longest. I'm going to request extra security when I go probably a 2 man police escort to sit beside me in the courtroom with one eye on OM. I don't trust her OM, he's made threats before I consider him dangerous. When the court session is over I will need an escort to my car, I want protection at all times. I know some may think I overreacting but you don't know what I've been through, if exw came alone I would be fine but she won't I know her, after its over she'll probably need a ride home anyway after all the lies are brought out and she's fined by the judge.

Take Care

Hi All,

Well I had typed a nice long post... and the MBer gremlin ate it again... so here is the short version.

relady...

Sometimes you have to walk away from it all... a day or better, and just try to clear your mind. If you don't, it will work you.

How are you holding up?

Have you heard anything from husband yet?

WGTT...

I'm glad to hear that your Alanon group is helping you out. I know my divorce group helped me quite a bit. You don't feel like your stranded on an island all by yourself.

How is your project coming along?

EC...

I agree with what avondale stated... tell your daughters what is going on, I'm sure once they know the truth... they can take a more in depth look at your exW, and decide she is not all she is cracked up to be.

When your exW's B/F threatened you... you should of had him arrested. Next time they threaten you... have them arrested... that will slow them down a bit.

avondale...

I'm not sleeping either... taxes... CS issues and the like. It's no fun.

I'm going to let my Tax accountant figure my mess out. You may want to do the same... they will work it so you will get the best return you can.

I think I made my "lady friend come to the conclusion that I'm not going to make any drastic moves anytime soon.

This weekend we talked and we both came to the conclusion that it's best for both of us if we just see each other, heal, and we will both know when we are ready. I told her it's going to take a very long time for me to heal... and she again said that she would wait. So we will see what happens. If isn't broke, then I say, "don't try to fix it". I like being single!

Petvet...

The ladies have given me some good advice and I am going to take it. It probably will not get me out of the dog house... but actions speak better than words. they will see.

"Twinkle twinkle little star... how I wonder what your up too"... LOL... j/k. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

What is with that? LOL... I think you maybe holding back on us... LOL

It's O.k., go ahead... tell us... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

"Twinkle twinkle little star"... it will only hurt for a little while... if you want to tell us. Don't worry... the black sheep of this thread will stick up for you... LOL... j/k.

I had to laugh, when I read that... that was a good one.

Go Raiders! Even though I am a Bronco fan... but they need to get a team going again before I get my hopes up on them.

RMA and Dave...

When you get time... let us know how you are doing.

RMA... I think Petvet needs some direction here on this "twinkle twinkle little star stuff. (Only kidding Petvet)

Hope everyone has a good day.

Stay Strong!

Wallace

Hi Gang!

Well tonight was my first day at school and it was very informative on the first day. We really didn't get into the books but went over the class agenda for the next 12 weeks. It felt weird being in a classroom with desk, haven't done that in many years but it felt good to be learning something new. After giving some thought about exw's lies on paper, I realize as you guys said this is not a beginning of new trouble for me but it's really an ending. So I decided to look it different.

I regret I didn't report the threats from exw's OM to the police when that happened, I really took it serious, the threat didn't come across as a person blowing off steam. I will report them or the next guy if it happens again, hopefully it won't.

I will eventually tell D's what's happening once I get the ball rolling. Money is the hold up now. Once court date happens probably May or June, exw will have to start paying back the overpayments or they may stop CS until it balances out for one whole year, she'll owe from May 2002 thru May 2003, either way come May I'll be done, 4 more months? Don't sound to bad. It's amazing I told exww when we were still M and she was using the law in every unjust way possible, I said oneday the very law you use against me unjustly will turn back on you and bite you one day and here we are.

More than anything, I'm sticking to my goals and very shortly I will have no reason to speak of exw again, there will be no more legal ties period, she has her own life she chose and I have mine, why carry the negative weight if I don't have to?

Take Care

Hi all!

EC: I agree with Wallace that you should have had that OM locked up if he made threats against you. You never know with people today. What type of classes you are taking?

Wallace: No, I'm not really holding things back. I mainly have someone to talk to now. There is nothing serious.

Later.

Hi Y'all,
I have been SLAMMED at work this month, doing budgetary and tax stuff --which is the only thing about my job I don't like <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

EC - What kind of classes are you taking? I admire you for doing that, I don't think I could go to school; I don't have that yearning for structured education that you need to succeed. And GOOD FOR YOU for realizing you don't have to carry the negative weight!

Petvet -"just talking", twinkles.. hmmm...sounds like an installment of an interesting story. I think Wallace started off by "just talking" to his lady friend too <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Relady - you're still on this thread, aren't you? What's new with you?

Wallace - Don't think of yourself as a black sheep. You're just the first so we get to razz you the most, and it's all done with love!

Me - I will probably file taxes separately, but I'm still praying about it because I want to weigh the implications that it sends to my H.

Hope everyone has a great week. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Hi Petvet - you have a nice long thread here, and maybe there is something in it for me. After 14 months in plan B and 7 months after filing D, my WW is at least thinking about counseling and/or reconciling. But with no enthusiasm. Can you remember anyone with an experience like that, good or bad?

Thanks,

Tom

Hi Everyone,

Petvet, Avondale, Wallace,

The certificate program and class I'm taking is called "Business Entrepreneurship Management". It's 5 classes total, its about managing your company better or if you're starting a new company how to launch it off the ground in all aspects inside and out. The question was asked, where do want to be by the end of 2003 and what are you doing to get there? Then she gave us a paper to write our goals out by the month then by the week, she guaranteed our lives would be changed forever by the time we're done with the program regardless if you're working for a company or you have your own...

She made an interesting statement yesterday, she said if you are goal driven don't sit around on your job and shadow another employee waiting for them to give you there position but to create and develope the talents you have for something even greater, you must have vision and see yourself doing what you desire and walk into it. If you want to become a CEO of your company then prepare, If you want to start your on company then plan and prepare. So that's what going to school is doing for me, I'm not necessarily a long term book person thats why I never sought a college dgree but I'm more Technical hands on but when it comes time to learn something I will read, so going to college now is a big twist for me this is new territory...The Classroom reminded me so much of highschool and that's been 2X+ years ago. In the past I have had lots of business ideas but never put my thoughts and actions on paper and never processed the goals little by little it was always dive into it then crash and burn, my zeal would outrun my plan, so planning better and jotting your map and how you're going to arrive to your level of success is the key to longterm longivity. So I'm now walking into a shortterm plan [school] to live my dreamtime lifestyle later. I'm tired of dreaming and talking about what I want in life, I'm now doing something about it. Entrepreneurship is what I've been wired for in life Im convinced.

I'm finding that your WS can leave you but that don't mean you're worthless, I'm finding if your WS leaves you, you can become every good thing you ever intended to be and more.

Take Care..

Hi All,

I hope everyone had a great weekend.

EC

I'm glad to see you're going to school and moving on. Believe me, owning your own business is very rewarding and liberating. It's exciting to formulate a plan and the steps to reach your goal knowing that you're responsible for how much money you make. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Wallace

You're so right about these boards. A definite break was in order. No more lurking about for me, I'm staying home(tough love). You know when we stray too far from home we get into trouble.

No, I haven't heard from my H yet. My Pastor confirmed that I was doing the right thing, however; he could see that I was becoming impatient. Then it occurred to me that I needed a break. I'm fine now.

Petvet

Soooo, let me get this straight, now you have a real person to talk to, so we're on the back burner now? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Or are you afraid to give us the real story?

How is your son?

Avondale

NO, I'm not leaving this 'thread'. Just took a break from lurking about reading other posts. Bad move!

WGTT

Thank you for the link, I was able to see the pictures.

Davepr, RMA

Hope all is well with you both.

God Bless,
relady

HI everyone, sorry I have not posted since the new year, I have been busy with work and the family. We are also trying to sell our house
and move across time. Everything is going well for us. It sounds like everyone here is doing
great. Take care, I will check back in when I can.
Take care,
Dave

Hi All,

EC...

What kind of classes did you begin?

If it cause you to take your mind off all of the wonderfulness that you have been going through with your exW... then I'm sure it will be good for you at the very minimum to get involved in it.

I'm like avondale... I've got too much going on to even think about taking on anything else at this point in time.

I don't think my brain would be into it at this point in time.

My brain has been taxed enough with all that is going on in my life. I'm not up to taking any additional College classes at this point. Maybe sometime down the road... I might want to take another class... something that I know that I would enjoy.

Good luck with your class.

Petvet...

I'm with you... it is nice to have someone to talk with. I found that I was interested in getting an opinion from the opposite sex on all the wonderfulness that was going on in my life and getting their take on things as they saw it.

I gotta lot of different opinions, but they all lead to one thing... I was better off without my exW, and in the long run... my exW did me a favor. So far, I have to agree.

Oh, and just a side note... avondale is correct... my "lady friend" and I just started out talking as well... and you know the story so far. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

What's happening with your wife... is it all quiet on the western front?

avondale...

I know you like to razz me with my situation with my "lady friend and that it's all in fun. I also know sometimes my situations get a little skewed from time to time... but I eventually get back on track... LOL

We have to be able to have a little fun sometimes, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> otherwise this stuff will drive you crazy.

I'm still rolling around on this tax stuff... trying to get everything together that I need. I'm still not well sleeping though... I don't know what that is all about.

Did you decide what way you may go on your taxes?

tmmx...

I though I might chime in on your question...

I'm glad to hear that your W is willing to go to a IC or MC, and work on a reconcilitation with you. I wouldn't worry too much about your wife being less than enthusiastic.

I would go to the MC with her and Plan A like crazy.

I had several attempts at reconcilation... with a MC and without a MC. Needless to say I was the only one really working on the M. I didn't know about this site at the time and about Plan A. I'm not sure if it would of made a difference though... as I wasn't aware that my exW was having an A for over 4 yrs. behind my back. It wasn't until I found out about the A, that I decided I had had enough... and decided to end the M. Ther is a lot more to the story... but that is the main portion of it.

We will need to know more about your situation, before we can elaborate on anything real specific.

It's a good start what you have going though... most people would die to have another chance at saving their M.

relady, RMA, Dave, WGTT...

Hope everything is going well for all of you.

Everyone have a great day!

Stay Strong!

Wallace

EC and relady... we crossed posted.

Sometimes at work I read what was posted and through the day it takes me awhile to get through my short posts <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> LOL

Stay Strong!

Wallace

Hi all:

Avondale: I went through the same thing as you did last. As a matter of fact, I had already done my taxes as separate then w came back and wanted to file jointly. I thought it would be sending a bad mesage if I refused. (WRONG MOVE) To make a long story short, I have been left to pay back taxes by myself. I will work this out in court. She owes me mega bucks. Please don't make the wrong move.

Relady: Huh, Huh, Huh (taking a breath), huh, huh! I am speechless. I will figure out some way to explain things.

Tmmx: Dave had a situation similar to yours. Go back to the thread back during the summer and early fall of 2002.

Dave : It's nice to hear that everything is going fine.

EC: Relady is right. Once you have been out on your own, it's is hard to go and work for someone else. That class sounds like something I would have an interest in. Once my mess is complete, I am going to finish coursework to take the CFP exam.

Relady: I know you are impatient. Over time though, you will come to your own decision and feel comfortable with it.

Later.

Hello everyone,

Things have been very busy and I am trying to stay calm so I can examine my situation with a clear head.

EC
I had to respond to this .....

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> The certificate program and class I'm taking is called "Business Entrepreneurship Management". It's 5 classes total, its about managing your company better or if you're starting a new company how to launch it off the ground in all aspects inside and out. The question was asked, where do want to be by the end of 2003 and what are you doing to get there? Then she gave us a paper to write our goals out by the month then by the week, she guaranteed our lives would be changed forever by the time we're done with the program regardless if you're working for a company or you have your own...

She made an interesting statement yesterday, she said if you are goal driven don't sit around on your job and shadow another employee waiting for them to give you there position but to create and develope the talents you have for something even greater, you must have vision and see yourself doing what you desire and walk into it. If you want to become a CEO of your company then prepare, If you want to start your on company then plan and prepare. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">That teacher sounds fantastic! It does start in the mind, and if you can envision it, you can do it, have it and be it.

I am in a year long mentor coaching program that started Jan 8 & we have started the same way. The books we are reading are "As a man thinketh" by James Allen & "You 2" by Price Pritchard. We are also listening to the "Sucess series" by Bob PRoctor link

One thing that was stressed in our program, that we need to envision where we want to be, where we are going, AND we have to know where we are. It's like being in Dallas & saying we want to go to NYC & we take off in that direction, but can't find NYC. It turns out, we didn't really know where we were - actually we were in CA, so no wonder we got lost.

I have been involved with another program of Bob Proctor in the past and received tremendous benefits. If you want (or anyone here) I can post the books and activities that we do.

For everyone else, I quickly read to keep up with everyone, but have mainly been posting under God could, but do I believe he would so that all can see what I've written and get a wide variety of responses.

D.

Hi WGTT,

Say thats some good info. I will get more book info from you later, I'm trying to digest what I have going right now. I want to say thanks for all you do you really help so many people on MB. A few weeks ago you were willing to drop something off where YD was in FL and not very many people will do that. So count yourself a special person!! By the time you are done with all your school stuff theirs no telling what you'll become...

If you can see it, you can believe it, thats the first step when you see God perform a miracle for somebody crippled in a wheelchair and able to standup and walk out of a wheelchair for the first time, they saw themselves walking oneday. Our WS's crippled us, we come to MB's and we push each other around in our wheelchairs because we were knocked off our feet by d-day, but in time you gotta see yourself walking healthy again oneday, and on your day, you have to "RISE UP AND BE HEALED!!". God will walk you from the place you're at to a new place in life by your Faith! Your Faith can affect your environment and cause doors to open and things to grow and prosper around you. Just as Adam and Eve's Sin even caused the very ground around them to die by there Sin, So can your Faith in God give life to you and things around you.

Hey,
I have never seen this thread on page TWO, kind of a scarey thought that the wisdom and support on this page might not always be here (at least now, for me)... I hope everyone is doing well. We got two inches of snow last night but no ice, yippee. I don't have a lot to say, just wanted to say HAPPY FRIDAY ! ! !

Good Morning!

EC That was beautiful! I hope you don't mind, I copied that onto my God could, but would He thread.

I will most likely going to Jax around the 22nd or so of February. If there is anything I can do or "see" just let me know. My son goes to school there, so he is always available if needed.

Avaondale Happy Friday to you too! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> and to everyone else!

God Bless,

D.

Good morning all,

Happy Friday to you as well avondale.

This thread hit page two? Hmmmmm... that's not good.

I was down with a flu bug of sorts, but I've bounced back, and I think I might make it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I have been involved with helping my "lady friend" move still... the last few days I haven't been able to help her though... I was on my way down with the flu bug, so that kind of put a kink in the game plan as far as moving her to her new place.

I'll be back at it again tonight though, as well as Saturday, and Sunday after Church. I didn't realize she had so much... LOL. I'm glad I didn't have to sell my house... I have about 10 times more stuff than she does.

Ok... where is everyone?

Petvet, relady, come out come out where ever you are.

Dave...

Glad to hear that everything is going well for you and your family.

Have you picked out a new house to move to yet?

EC...

It sounds like you have hooked up with a pretty exciting class. I had a mechanical construction business for 13 yrs. I closed it down because my exW was acting up when she worked in the accounting department. She was in Accounts Payable... only Company or person she paid however was herself for the most part... so I fired her and closed the business down about 6 months after. I decided I would possibly open the business back up after I got the divorce.

Well I'm divorced... and I'm thinking about opening the Company back up again this year. In fact I have a big project that one of the Fortune 100 companies wants me to do. I haven't committed to it yet, but more than likely I will.

WGTT...

Checked your thread... you are getting some good posts on it.

RMA...

Hope everything is well.

Everyone have a good weekend.

Stay Strong!

Wallace

<small>[ January 17, 2003, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: Wallace ]</small>

Hi Gang!

Looks like everybody jummped ship for the week. Nothing new happening here but a little snow. I've been considering going on this steep hill with a sled that many kids and adults go to but I haven't did it yet, still trying to get my nerves up....

Avondale - Yep, I would say its odd this thread made it to page 2, hasn't happened in a while. I hope everything is going great for you.

WGTT - I didn't mind you posting what I wrote maybe it will encourage somebody. I just never dreamed my life would turn out like it has so far after d-day and the DV, I never realized how much exw controlled me, I'm doing things that were once just dream or fantasy, I was emotionally raised up from the chair after D-day. Yes, I have had my times when it seemed I was nowhere and get discouraged and want to give up. At this point it seems if I have any interaction with exw by mail or phone, it plows me backwards because she hasn't changed, the surface she presents is always nice but underneath is a whole other motive, its like this

PS 55

21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.

She's nice at times only to gain something to her advantage, as you saw she said merry christmas then sends me forms with lies and deceit trying to ask the court to do something illegal to me.

Some say they wouldn't be surprised if she would try to return one day. If that happened it would definitly be this..

Hosea 2

7 And she shall follow after her lovers, but she shall not overtake them; and she shall seek them, but shall not find them: then shall she say, I will go and return to my first husband; for then was it better with me than now.

However I'm not waiting and stopping my life for that day...Affairs and Adultery are a void internal weakness not strength as the WS's try to make it appear though if they're having fun.

Wallace - That's great you once owned your own busn. I guess oneday I'll find that out.

Ok time to ramble about what I'm trying do:

I have so many things I want to do that I feel I'm just a millionare just waiting to happen. Over the years I learned the diff between greed, rich and wealthy, anybody can get rich and it all blows anyway in the wind, but to be wealthy is a behavior that produces fruit and longivity. I'm at the point I don't need a million dollars to reach that status, I just need $20,000 debt free capital and I will get there only because I've studied and prepared and know what poor is like. So many times you hear what people would do with money if they had it and the talk is focused on diamonds or cars, etc...Well my goal is to turn my city upside down with innovative businesses and new housing. I plan to start in my old neighborhood where I grew up. Talk is cheap these days people want action and the proof.

When I lived in FL the attractions were always the worlds largest this place or that, so therefore I'm eventually going to do that in my city in time, just trying to think outside box a little. I've been away for a few years from the midwest so now that I'm back I can bring some of those things I've seen and learned to my city. I was discouraged lastweek when exw sent me her false claim documents, the D-days, DV and CS was a setback but as you see this is what is in me the emeny wanted to stop, if he can discourage you from your dreams and purpose are then you become uphappy and no longer focused and want give up and sink below who you are and what you have to offer somebody...

The attack our WS's have come under was not all about them, a lot of it was how could the enemy destroy your life by using them. What has God placed in you so great that it took such an emotional blow of betrayal from the enemy to try and steal it??? but yet you're still standing? We have an awesome GOD!! Life is not over but just beginning.....

For those seeking a relationship, don't let it be a Chicken and Pig relationship, meaning......Once upon a time A Pig and a Chicken spent some time together and over time became close and decided they wanted to have a long conversation over breakfast and get to know each other better. Breakfast time came and the table was set with plates, silverware, orangejuice, biscuits and only bacon and eggs were needed on the table. The Chicken said <img border="0" title="" alt="[Embarrassed]" src="images/icons/blush.gif" /> "Here you go Mr. Pig, I placed my egg on the table and there's more where that came from " <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> ...So the Chicken said ok Mr.Pig we now need some bacon <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> . The Pig looked down at himself and said <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> " Uh, Well I don't know about this giving stuff that's definitly a sacrifice and committment" sorry I gotta go <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> .

The senerio here : The chicken was stealing eggs from other nest though if it layed them. The Pig wasn't willing to give what it had either when sacrifice and committent time came.

Take Care

Hey, ya'll!!!!

Just thinking of each of you. I am doing a great job of limiting my time on the computer, but, hey you are all still in my htoughts and prayers.

EC, congrats on the course. Anything you can do to hone your skills has got to benefit you in the long run!

Petvet, oh, I shudder to think about the meaning of all this twinkling! But, I am proud you are keeping your hands in your pocket. But, do tell...what kind of interactions are you having with your WS?? Is she talking to you at all or just acting "as if" you two are already divorced? Just curious. When is the final divorce date?

Wallace, Nice of you to help her move. Just keep thing light....remember that!

avondale, yes, file separately. I "helped" my WS by filing jointly even though he had been basically gone that year. I too was worried about the "message" if I didn't do. In the long run, it got me nothing, and I would have saved money filing separately. You know, that one thing won't make the difference in your marriage. Really, it won't.

relady, Hello to you. Enjoy your break.

davepr, glad things continue to go well for you. The house sale and change of scenery will likey do even more good for your marriage.

wgtt, sounds like your support group is really helping you out and I am glad for that. Keep at it! We all need all the positive encouragement and support we can get and from multiple sources.

tmmx., stay with this group. They can offer valuable support and insight to you and your situation.

Best of luck to all! Hugs and kisses, RMA