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#839500 01/19/05 10:51 PM
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Kt bunch,
I was just reading your signature- is the c for custody? As in custody began in 02, but is ended now?
I just have had feelings about my ex and ow and oc stirred up and I am talking to him tomorrow in person- have not seen him since 7/1/03 and I have been back at the boards looking at other people's situations.
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Nope, sorry for the confusion.............funny someone else was just asking me about this......

It stands for CONTACT. H & OW had joint legal/physical custody, we had OC %40 & OW %60 of the time.

The date is when contact began <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" /> & then when it ended. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

We currently only have contact via snail mail but there is never any response.
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I hope you are ok.

xoxoxox
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#839502 01/20/05 02:07 PM
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Oh I'm sorry. Do you think OC is getting the letters or do you think OW is taking them? I bet that was hard ending contact.
Thanks for the response- I will be ok.

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I can't think about it too much or I go crazy! LOL

I don't really know, but I do keep records of it all, delivery receipts, signatures required for packages, ect.

The boxes would be hard to hide....maybe not, I send them to OW parents house becuase OW lives in an apt. But the first ones were jsut OC stuff, clothes & toys ect so I don't think OW would not give OC those.......I mean it's for her own good. OW family does hate us though so who really knows.

THe letters I send directly to OW apt.

Nothing I can do about it so I try not to even think about it. Once it leaves our hands............that's it, nothing I can do about it.

I am curious as to whether OW actually reads the letters {to OC} or not & if OW censors them. But whatever...........not for me to worry about. I have to tell myself that we did/do our part & the rest is ON OW.

I am confident that the truth will always come out eventually.

kwim?

xoxoxoxxoxox
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Yes I kwym! The truth will all come out, it's just hard in the waiting. Wow, you send all kinds of stuff. Surely she (the OC is a girl?) is getting some stuff at least.
did you choose to go nc? If that is hard to talk about don't worry about answering- it just sounds like it is a volatile situation- OW and her family.
xoxoxoxoxoxo yourself!
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Yes, WE chose NC. It was long & drawn out & long OVERDUE. IMO

Yes, OC is a girl..............hmmmm.... how can you tell? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> all the STUFF? LOL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

WE spent lots of time going back & forth to the courts, mediations, counselors & a great therapist that tried to work w/ us (OW, me AND H, altogether) to get a good parenting plan (agreement) in order.

OW would agree to things then go back to court & said my H AND the mediator took advantage of her & pressured her. OW agreed to things & then would say, "I never agreed to that" or "I only acted like I agreed to avoid conflict but I didn't really agree." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

So finally before summer started OW hauled us all back into the therapist office again @ another lame attempt to avoid OC being w/ us for the summer. OW would do this whenever there was to be an 'increase' in visitation. THe summer was gonna be every other week, thurs to thurs.

The therapist assured her that OC was 'ok' & would continue to be just fine w/ us. THEN OW said, ok but that ONLY H could transport OC to & from visists & must do ALL the driving. I had previously been 'allowed' to transport OC due to H work schedule up to that point & w/ the summer schedule the driving was to be shared equally between us & OW. (we did ALL the driving but summers were to be shared)

So right then I said that it was ENOUGH. (to H not OW) Our oldest was still exhibiting signs of stress over the whole thing (getting headaches, nausia & vomiting when we would p/u OC). SO I was the first to say it was now just TOO much & I would no longer go through this nonsense, much less for an entire summer!

H calmed me down, I spoke to the therapist alone & explained what was going on. THe therapist recommended that we cut down on visitation for our child's peace & well being. H said we would try JUST for the summer & see if it got better having visitation EOW. Other 'issues' were put on the back-burner. I agreed & let the therapist know our plan.

The therapist talked to OW & reminded her of what the ORDER actually said & convinced her it was in OC best interests to stick to the order or we would be DONE. Explained to OW that we would NOT continue fighting over this junk, we had no more $$$$$$$$ for a lawyer, our family needed peace as well as OC.

OW said that she didn't want OC to be w/o a 'dad' sooo.....'ok'.

THings went smoothly for about 2 months. Then......as it was getting closer for school to start again...(one of the big unresolved issues) OW started to play games again.

Started scheduling unnecessary Dr visits for OC during OUR time. (but OW did not allow us to make up the day that the visit was on, we would just lose that day) Once was ok. THe next time we spoke to the DR ourselves who said it was unnecessary & it was ok to reschedule it during OW time. OW refused to reschedule it & then said that I no longer C her for anything ONLY H. OW normally only did this when there was a disagreement, otherwise communication was always through me via email.

H then was the one who said--------ENOUGH. H was finally convinced the nonsense would never end. There was nothing more we could do. HE wrote OW a letter (explaining NC & why), I packed up all (most, there was a lot)OC stuff & sent it home w/ her when OW picked her up.

OW had a bit of a stunned look on her face when she saw all the stuff. She asked OC, why do you have all your stuff? I didn't tell OC. I just told OC that she could take any of her stuff that she wanted.

But I think OC somehow knew because she made a few interesting comments. She told our 4.5 yo, I am going away for a long time & I'm gonna miss you, AND, I'm taking my stuff becuase I'm gonna be gone for a long time. (or something like that) But I had only told her she could take her stuff if she want, to use @ her mom's house.

That is what I heard her tell OW too. That she just brought her stuff in case she needs it.
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So anyhoo........that was way back in Aug.

Live & learn.
WE are moving forward & no longer dwelling on the past.
Our family has peace, even if it was @ such a price.
The little ones ask for OC ALL the time, @ least every other day. I just let them write her letters (drawings really <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ), collect them all up & mail them out.
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But I can't dwell on it either. What's done is done & we are living our lives as best as we can. We have much to be grateful for.

xoxoxoxox
kt

PS: about OW family..........It's my assumption that they hate us, 'OW is the innocent victim in all of this.' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> Wierd actions that they displayed indirectly to us, not just H but entire family. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

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ktbunch,
I don't know what to say. Really. Wow. What an ordeal. It sounds like OW made things a mess. Since you met OC when she was 4, I bet that was strange. And then NC at 6. I am glad you are at peace with your decision. That had to be difficult. Did you feel a bond with OC when you met her or did you just think of OW?
Take care of yourself and those kiddos.
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A 'bond'----shyah right. More like a robot-I felt nothing @ first. Plus I had baby # 3 a week later. I was a blundering fool & blubbering mess of confusion.

I was very focused on staying very nuetral towards OC. I didn't want to fall into a trap of resnting OC because of her mother. Nor did I want to become too attached because the situation was so precarious. Then having to deal w/ our own children, the coming & going, the mood swings of everybody, always trying to be 'fair'.

Everybody watching ME, like they were just waiting to catch me mistreating OC or treating her 'different'. Like everybody was just waiting for me to crack under the pressure! IT was just a mess.

And add a newborn to the mix---------C-R-A-Z-Y-------is the only way to describe it & that isn't even accurate. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

There are SO many things that I now know & wish I had known then that could have AVOIDED a lot of heartache for all of us.

IT was a complicated MESS of mixed emotions.

Emotions are not very good indicators when you are trying to make life-altering decisions.

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Since you met OC when she was 4, I bet that was strange.

A little, not one of our brightest decisions. Obviously. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

xoxoxoxoxoxxoxoxoxox
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<small>[ January 20, 2005, 10:15 PM: Message edited by: ktbunch ]</small>

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There are SO many things that I now know & wish I had known then that could have AVOIDED a lot of heartache for all of us.


Like about the situation, about yourself, about H, about OW, about OC? About your children? haha you get my drift.
Amazing how you just don't know how you will react til you are in it, I guess.

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Yep a gazillion things.

Basically, I would have avoided the entire C situation if I had knwon then what I know now.

BUT one thing I COMPLETELY %100 regret above anything-----------trying to be nice to OW & make her comfortable by allowing her IN my home. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> LOL

A million what ifs & hindsights. We really NEVER know what we will do or if anything would have changed.

I do know that it was God's plan for OC to be born & 4 us to meet & however it plays out in the future.

It really does no good for me to think about all the things I wish I would have done different-because I can never change it now.

It only helps in the advice that I can now give.
I can advise new wives how to love their H.
I can advise how to set healthy boundaries.
I can advise on how to set up a parenting plan legally, what NOT to forget, how to cover your bases. Ect. ykwim?
I can advise on that now..............I think that is really what this entire thing is FOR.............to help & minister to 'others'.

It's the least I can do to make it positive. right?

xoxoxoxxoxox
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well said, kt. that's what it's all about- learning from the pain to help others. You have a great mindset. Like I told ex tonight- I said, I wish none of it had happened- I wish I hadn't acted the way I did, I wish that it was my child and not hers - but it all is over- nothing can be done- and it is a new year- and without all of those painful situations- I would not be who I am today- which is more whole, more free, and more ready to love than I was then. And that helps other people too.
Thanks Kt!!!!
xoxoxoxo,
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ktbunch,
I read Sarah, Hagar's and Abraham's story. Whoa, that is interesting stuff. The Bible really is an amazing book- wish I picked it up more often!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
I thought it was interesting that Hagar's son was still blessed, God just didn't make his covenant with Him.
And how Sarah laughed at the thought of being pregnant at her age- yet God said "HELLO, is anything too difficult for me!!"
Thanks for referring the story to me.
I should have known it myself for as long as I have been a believer- but unfortunately didn't, so I appreciate you helping me to get in the Word.
Hope you have had a good weekend.
xoxoxoxoxoxo,
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