ob1---where did you find that Birth Certificate info? (about the law/being illegal to put man's name on it)

Because we have NEVER seen OC BC, although I did request a copy from OW & she said she would get one to us (but that is back when we were speaking to each other) But I am curious because OW first C w/ H after OC birth was to get his legal permission to change OC name.

So WHY would she need his permission if he was NOT on BC & then WHO is on it----can you just leave it blank?

AND if you are NOT married then how DO you put a name on it? I mean how would anyone know? It's not like the nurses ask you if you're married or anything?

I am REALLY interested to know this.

I mean even though it's TECHNICALLY illegal, coudl someone do it anyway & the chances be slim that it's actually prosecuted. OR only prosecuted IF the name on it turns out to NOT be the father? Like if a man actually challenged it.

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kt

Well, I know how it is in *my* state...

If you're not married, the man has to sign an acknowledgement of paternity. Truth is, I suppose a person could lie and say they were married, but I assume that would be illegal! I don't think anyone in the hospital actually *asks*...

I know once legal paternity is established with the court, no "permission" from the father is needed for the mother to add his name to the BC, all she has to do is take the court papers to the right office, and blam, name is changed. (though here there is an accompanying form that must be taken care of)

Adding or removing a father from a BC takes court recognition, but simply giving the child any last name doesn't.

And yes, you can simply leave the space blank on the BC.

I was going to go through the crap of putting my little one's bio-fathers name on, but because DFH is (hopefully!!) adopting him soon and we'd have to change it again, we'll just wait and do it then, when we also change little one's last name to his.

So your son's bio's name is NOT on the bc BUT you still have to notify him & request permission for changes to be made?

Oh is that because paternity has been established?

What if it hadn't? Then what?

I am going to request a copy of bc from OW---even though we have NC, I am going to write it up like a business letter, no funny business on my part.

I am just wondering WHAT it says now & all that.
Probably a good piece of paper to have anyway.


xoxoxo
kt

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">So your son's bio's name is NOT on the bc BUT you still have to notify him & request permission for changes to be made?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, because paternity has been legally established, I don't have to ask/tell him anything regarding changes.

But as I understand it, the father's name (when unmarried) can't be put on unless there is a court document acknowledging him as the father, or if he agrees by singing the affadavit.

(*waving to Kt! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> )

And yes, you should DEFININATELY get a copy of the BC. You never know when you might need it!

Hello,
I just wanted to add. If your H is on the BC then it is his right to get a copy of the BC. Just have him call the vital records in the county where the OC was born and request a copy. Not sure what state you are in but here in Wisconsin you can go online and download a form and send it in. Since he is the legal father he can get a copy of the BC. Don't have to contact OW to due this.

I know if he calls the vital records they will tell him if he can get a copy. I know the father, mother and maternal grandma can get a copy here and you don't have to have permission.. Unless, the BC says unknown for the father if that is the case you can petition the court to get his name on the BC.

Just wanted to add if they won't give him a copy then you know his name is not on the BC.


Dawn

<small>[ January 28, 2005, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: Dawn71 ]</small>

Dawn absolutly, and mntbz too. You can just leave it blank or if your voluntary sign it can be added, or when the courts state it in the order. I have not taken her bc down yet, but as it's her right to have his name on it, I will sooner than later. It has not been a prioirity to me right now. Even with his name on her bc he does not have any custody rights to her by his own doing so he has no right to say anything about her, and I don't have to get his permission for anything. If in doubt by anyone, I just show them a copy of our court order. My doctor's office has a copy and a few other people, like daycare workers etc. KT if he's on the bc he'll be able to get a copy of the bc with no problem.....

Hi kt! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Looking up that info for our area it says ---

"Beginning July 1, 2003 the Health and Safety Code Section 103526 permits only specific individuals to receive an AUTHORIZED CERTIFIED COPY of a birth or death record. An AUTHORIZED CERTIFIED COPY of a birth record is required to obtain a driver’s license, passport, social security card and other services related to an individual’s identity.

Those who do not meet the criteria for an AUTHORIZED CERTIFIED COPY may receive an INFORMATIONAL CERTIFIED COPY with the words “INFORMATIONAL, NOT A VALID DOCUMENT TO ESTABLISH IDENTITY” imprinted across the face of the copy.

Individuals permitted to receive an AUTHORIZED CERTIFIED COPY:

The registrant or a parent or legal guardian of the registrant

A party entitled to receive the record as a result of a court order, or an attorney or a licensed adoption agency seeking the birth record in order to comply with the requirements of Section 3140 or 7603 of the Family Code

A member of a law enforcement agency or a representative of another governmental agency, as provided by law, who is conducting official business

A child, grandparent, grandchild, sibling, spouse or domestic partner of the registrant

An attorney representing the registrant or the registrant’s estate, or any person or agency empowered by statute or appointed by a court to act on behalf of the registrant or the registrant estate"


Email me if you want the link to that website which also gives you the necessary forms if you want to get it by mail.

Sorry, I just saw this.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> ob1---where did you find that Birth Certificate info? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">It's one of those tidbits of information I have a knack for picking up and retaining. Try contacting a maternity ward and ask to speak to the registrar. She/he would be able to tell you more about it. If the mother is not married, the father has to be there to sign the birth certificate. If he's not there, his name is omitted until he can sign the BC or an Acknowledgment of Paternity can be submitted and the BC amended. I suppose the mother could claim that she's married, but signing the BC is a declaration and she could be buying herself some trouble.

Thanks nerly, your info was, ironically, perfectly timed. You have no idea.

I think I remember that now......I'm just so curious.

I have seen the request apps online before on the county website. THanks again,

xoxoxoxoxox
kt