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You make me smile....lol. Thanks for your quick wit. My Mouse Eating Kitten
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Trix, The linked article is rather perplexing. The author claims that some vets don't favor CO2 euthanasia and boasts that the AVMA does not share this concern. Quote from article below: Some vets are concerned that CO2 euthanasia is ineffective in causing death and that some additional procedure is required to be sure death has occurred. This is an odd concern, at least with rodents, because respiration during the anesthesia phase is quite obvious as is the cessation of all respiration shortly after the high concentration CO2 is introduced. Neither mice nor men can stop breathing for 10 minutes and then revive (except in cases of hypothermia or animals that have evolved extraordinary breath holding abilities). If you have any concerns, wait 30 minutes or longer. The AVMA doesn't seem to have this concern. Elsewhere, the author mentions that the AVMA says the following: Because the AVMA believes that the flow of CO2 can be regulated adequately only by using compressed CO2, only the use of CO2 cylinders is approved. The following method, being adapted for home use, does not require the use of compressed gas cylinders. The AVMA Panel on Euthanasia has not been asked to approve the following method, and no approval is implied. The author is satisfied that the method is sound and readers should judge for themselves. So, the author uses the AVMA to support one approach and uses it to refute another. I would consider this spproach to be dangerous and reckless. If one cannot go to the trouble of buying CO2, by all means, take the animal to a vet.
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Don't worry. I may have considered this as an option but my husband is vehemently opposed to my raising mice...definitely not a POJA. So, I won't be doing it. Although, I did think the guy's method had merit. Here is another link: Stanford Lab Animals Guidelines
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Merit? With all due respect, his approach rivals Looney Tunes. His selective use of "logic" and supporting data is laughable. Here is one of the first statements I encountered at the Stanford site: CO2 must come from a controlled source (i.e. compressed gas cylinder). The reason for the controlled source is because it is the only method by which one can precisely deliver the proper amount of CO2. If one delivers too much CO2 too quickly, the animal suffers.
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Hi everybody!
What a week....ouh!
Just thought I'd pop in to tell you that I am still alive... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
You will notice from my signature line that my boys are now both one year...older..
so...for the past week have been busy planning 2 parties...Friday night for my 'ado'...then a 24-hr stint for a bunch of 11-yr olds...
uhmmm...I forget....at what age does the voice-change happen???....anyways...it's not at 11 that's for sure! <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />
....was a little worried...started my week by being sick...but it looks like it was a 48-hr bug.....and managed to do my 'robot' thing.... grocery shopping.... cooking... serving... washing dishes (don't have a dishwasher!)...
...and am a very proud mama...thoroughly enjoyed watching my boys 'enjoying' themselves with friends... <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Gosh I love my boys to death!
...will try and catch up to see what you're all up to!
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Two of mine made it to very old age. They shrivel up, get lots of white hairs, often they get growths and move slowly. I think you would recognise an old hamster so don't worry. And even old hamsters can reproduce so beware the doddering old boy who looks incapable - he ain't!
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How about buying a bunch of little cages with tubes that do not connect (so they can see each other in passing....maybe some exercise wheels and make a hamster condo...make sure you keep them all separate. Then just keep them all into their old age.
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started my week by being sick...but it looks like it was a 48-hr bug Luna, When I was a kid, all we had were 24 hour bugs...inflation... TT, Well my hamsters do have grey hairs...OTOH I think aging is part of a hamster's life and they shouldn't be so worried about appearance. Okay so after breastfeeding a dozen litters of....what are baby hamsters called?...MAYBE we might think about a little lift for her. I think it would be six little lifts though. It might make her feel better about herself. Hey - maybe that is why she turned mean! I still think it's PPD. Since this is an infidelity forum, do you think hamsters cheat or are they monohamist?
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Pio, I know this is a repeat, but honestly, you set yourself up. You set 'em up, I knock 'em down. Okay so after breastfeeding a dozen litters of....what are baby hamsters called?... I bet you are so sore.... To answer your other question, yes, hamsters do cheat. Haven't you ever heard a woman refer to her H/BF as a rat?
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Well DD2 has a pillow with a hole in it and these little styrofoam balls are all over the place. They would be about the right size. So now I am torn between mastopexy (six of them) and augmentation. No. What am I thinking? No way I want to make her MORE attractive. <img src="/ubbt/images/graemlins/eek.gif" alt="" />
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Hey Todd,
If I do decide to go the CO2 route, how do I keep the masks on the little guys?
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Hey Todd,
If I do decide to go the CO2 route, how do I keep the masks on the little guys? It really doesn't amount to a hill of beans because they won't be around for very long anyway. My recommendation is to use tiny rubber bands.
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Where? On Papa's....uh..."member"? Might solve the problem.
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So glad to see you back luna!! Maybe you can save us from listening to this hamster talk!
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Where? On Papa's....uh..."member"? Might solve the problem. Do you know what an X-acto knife is?
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Now we're back to square one. I KEEP PASSING OUT FROM THE ETHER!!! The method doesn't work.
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Now we're back to square one. I KEEP PASSING OUT FROM THE ETHER!!! The method doesn't work. Well, but all means, put the knife down before you pass out. You may want more kids one day. As for the gas masks, I have the perfect solution set: what rodent does every other rodent look up to? Mickey Mouse. At the link is a MM gas mask. Let them pretend to be their idol their last few moments on Earth. Or is it The Earth? Mickey Mouse
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Pio,
Do you know who George Barris is?
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I'd read in another thread plan A succeeds 15% of the time. I don't know if this is correct & would be interested to know what you've discovered. Hi Nams. I've heard Harley says 15% for Plan A. I don't have any evidence to the contrary. Certainly after MrsK left me for OM, I did an unknowing Plan A to attract her back. But really it was exposure that killed the affair and the hand of God that brought her back. She was only gone from home for 2 weeks. Very short Plan A. I would not think it was very good - I was a little needy and desperate at first but then when i made plans to move on without her I guess I was more attractive. Our Kids were also a factor - even in her fog she saw that pain they were in and cared enough about them to end it.
Me: 56 (FBS) Wife: 55 (FWW) D-Day August 2005 Married 11/1982 3 Sons 27,25,23 Empty Nesters. Fully Recovered.
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I have never heard of George Barris. I have heard of Chuck. I had a neighbor named Bill who lived with his Aunt Em. No other Barris's I know of. Why?
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