This morning we were hugging on the couch, having coffee. I was delaying going off to work for an hour. And I said.
"I wish you could see yourself through my eyes."
She held onto the hug a little longer.

Its very true. I don't think she sees herself like I see her.

Hey, sounds like things are on the up and up, glad to hear it.

Have you ever read markos's thread?

http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2388046&page=14

It's nearly 100 pages long like Andy's was, but Markos and wife struggled with one hellacious conversation issue. A lot of it sounds like the stuff me and my wife did/do. I'm only on page 14 (where there's an interesting dialogue about a vacuum cleaner that sounded a lot like me), but there is a lot there by vets offering suggestions that could apply to just about anyone.

NW - are you saying I'm long winded?....LOL..?

stretch, I haven't posted to you before but I've been following your thread. I just had to say that if my H would hold me in his arms, and say that to me, I would absolutely melt. I hope the marriage retreat goes well this weekend - stay strong!

LOL--hardly! You've seen some of my posts--they fill the page sometimes. You just have a lot of "stuff" going on and have gotten a lot of feedback on your thread(s) which is a good thing!

North is probably the reason the server went down a couple weeks back:)

Ha Ha Haaaaaa...and here I was thinking Canadians didn't have a sense of humor

Got to have a sense of humour, its almost April and it was minus 12 celcius this morning. Come on spring!

Ugh, bet you're tired of that. Winter's been over for us for about a month now. Supposed to be 75 tomorrow (around 20-something Celsius I think). It was hot today, I had my shorts and flip-flops on, and probably looked a bit like a slob but that's ok

Funny how y'all add that "u" in your words-- favour, humour, etc.

Or maybe it's funny how we don't add it.

And so ends my random thought of the day

Reynolds, you have to translate from Canadian if you expect us to follow along. I know what you meant, but I think its only because I worked for a Canadian bank for many years.

Yeah funny guys eh? I was translating for you eh? Quit making fun hosers or we'll shut off the maple syrup pipeline. Your IHOPs will shut down in two days tops:)

Great...now I've got to go see what a hoser is.

In the meantime, hope things are going good up your way, Reynolds.

No way eh! IHOP's use maple flavored corn syrup. No impact there.

My wife is Canadian (Nova Scotia). I've learned to tell the difference between 'real' maple syrup and the fake kind. Y'all's candy is way better. Coffee crisp FTW!

Sorry Stretch for the TJ. You're quiet hope you are doing OK.

How about REAL beer? OK so its like forty bucks here for 24 bottles, which I know you guys would overthrow the gov't if they tried there...

...yeah, wouldn't put it past us.

Gee whiz guys. I go away on a marriage retreat for a couple of days and there is a total thread jack going on while you talk about the weather, beer and pancakes up in Canada.

Oh my. I am humbled. Thank you.

Has your BH spent any time with MB? We would welcome him here. If you let him know there are a lot of BH's here that can help him with his pain. (He is in a lot of pain wulffpack girl... I am sure you know that)

FYI -
Marriage Retreat was phenomenal. I am going to tell you the name of it here and the moderators can pull it down. But its faith based, they talk about extramarital affairs well. They are pro-marriage, pro-recovery, pro-family, pro men and women. We were both simply overwhelmed and exhilerated. I heard plenty of MB principles within the material.

Familylife Weekend to Remember

Heard about it through our church. Amazing. Amazing !

We both scored it a 10! We both said, on our own evaluation sheets before comparing notes.... (From 1-10)our marriage was at a 3 on Friday and at a 7 on Sunday.

I got an apology for the affair on Saturday night.
I am energized and focused on being an outstanding husband and father and I have the tools. I know what that means.
Our priorities are: 1)God 2) Spouse 3) Children 4) Ourselves
So my needs come 4th. And her needs come 4th for her. Humans are so innately self-centerd. Got to remember that.

They weren't soft on extramarital affairs. A selfish escape from reality is what they are. They also said the pain and trust would take a lot of time.

The marriage after dark session Saturday afternoon was great. The couples homework after that session kept us in the hotel room for hours. We finally were hungry enough (for food) that we went to dinner at about 10PM.

Okay, so all is not perfect. I am still hurt. Still sad. Still seeking her commitment. I cried when all 1,000 people re-committed to their vows because we were one of the couples that could not. Its not time for us yet. So I cried, and cried.

But I believe we will get there soon.

Really, stretch, did you expect anything less? We got bored.

Glad to hear the retreat was a positive experience for you guys. Keep up the good work, bet you'll get that committment before too much longer. And getting one that actually "means" something is so much better than just one to go along with the crowd.

Stretch - I'm estatic for you and WW! Sounds like you're on a good path.

Reynolds & NW - In the US you can legally brew your own, great beer for a lot less cash (+/-$12 a case).